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Antoine's avatar

The thesis seems well addressed as academic work on history and philosophy. It does seem to have reached and twisted to place ideas and intentions where they didn't originally exist.

Where I found your answer perhaps wanting was towards the end, even if I was still agreeing with everything said, good points were still being made. The broader critique seems... insufficiently broad. The thesis could be said to fail as an academic work on history, and even "Vitalism" might fail as an ideology or doctrine through which to pursue politics or human excellence. But there's a more charitable way to read all of this.

It may not have been his intention all along, Dr Alamariu may have wanted to lead a kind of movement within history scholarship at one point, but even if that's so, it also seems likely that he intended for his work to have an element of performance to it even then. Intended to shock people with ideas, as much as facts. A proposition on history, even if factually "wrong", can have power.

What is being proposed, specifically, does not seem to have power. "Vitalism" treated as a doctrine or ideology in accordance with this thesis is stupid and politically impotent. But 'Vitalism' as a vague suggestion made through a series of flamboyant and attention grabbing performances has potential. As you've said, power is a large machine made up of an enormous number of people. Several of those people have now heard of Dr Alamariu. Some of them now have ideas in their head about higher men of the past who may have been "vitalists". Something about wolves. A general sense that they should be ashamed of the way they live.

Vitalism is a meme. It touches people and spreads. That seems to be Dr Alamariu's project now. This thesis may have been a historian's work at some point, and it *can* still be read as such. but it's clear that *now* it's been wheeled back out to serve the meme. Critiquing the thesis as a thesis is perfectly good and fine work, and I enjoyed reading that. But if you're expanding to a broader critique of "BAPism" I think that, unfortunately, we can't really say too much that's definitive. Which I think is deliberate. I personally HATE this about the man, but that's how memes are. This tactical advance and retreat game he plays between postures of serious work and shapeless performance is obnoxious but allows him to imbue a broad and shallow collection of ideas with enormous potential energy and reach. It's a trade off. He *does* have a limited capacity for deep impact due to all that you've described, but we are simply not a deep society anymore. What you've written here is probably the deepest serious response Dr Alamariu is ever going to receive. Maybe if he really wanted to he could put up a better fight in this field for specific ideas, but it really seems to me that the particulars don't matter to him anymore. That's not where the fight is. All of his work now serves the same function as a /pol/ infographic. He wants to shock the system with REDPILL impacts. To harness energy and inject it violently into the salvageable human elements of the first world which are in contact with power. To spiritually grab the shoulders of white nerds in silicon valley and government and say "FAGGOT. WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS? IS THIS HOW MEN ARE MEANT TO BE?" The "Dissident Right" *is* done. What I see playing out here is more like a conversion program. Hearts and minds, with no real plan beyond that as far as I can see.

The government and industry are occupied by and made up of humans. Many of whom now "know" that aristocrats used to be wolves and that Plato was a eugenicist. What can you do with that? If nothing else they might pay for your podcast and boost your engagement.

I *really* appreciate the work you put into this and don't at all mean to be dismissive of the value of engaging with ideas *as* ideas. These issues *do* have to be addressed at some point. It's important for thinking people to understand that Dr Alamariu does not actually have all the answers we need. Even if he may have some useful force behind him.

Thank you for the serious work, I enjoyed reading this.

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“move beyond the strictures and absolute rule of ancestral nomos, beyond the primitive “rule of elders” that characterizes all early society, and that, again, seemingly provides no “out” from within.“

This seems to be exactly what happened in Germany, as the Reiks class of Indo-European clan patriarchs was deposed by brotherhoods of warrior-youth who became wealthy by plundering Rome. These brotherhoods proclaimed kings, the Germanic king being a form of secular and mobile ruler whose legitimacy rested on the personal loyalty of warriors rather than the sacral-familial legitimacy of the Aryan patriarch. We don’t see these bands of pirates in the sagas, because by this point they had become the established and mostly settled nobility; the notion of the berserkr as outlaw in Snorri’s time comes from their greater settlement as a ruling class. Kveldulf and Egil were both “berserkrs” in the old style, but the word had specifically come to mean the outlaw. Perhaps the Reiks used to call the warbands that took their status this nearly a thousand years earlier- a similar situation exists with the Latin “militibus sylvanus”, a medieval euphemism for bandit.

Of course, the king’s authority resting on the personal support of bloodthirsty warriors was an unstable situation and led to constant internal strife; this is where Alamariu and I diverge. Successful kings reintroduced nomos and sacral sources of legitimacy in order to strengthen their rule and strengthen elite cooperation, which made them more effective in external warfare. We can acknowledge the origins of aristocracy without considering their “nature” or original state to be an ideal state. An athlete is both born and trained- nomos represents a training regimen. History is a team sport moreover, and nomos becomes necessary to make an elite cooperative and militarily effective. The Renaissance tyrant that Alamariu loves could barely hold a single city in his hands- the individually less virtuosic but superior in cooperation German and French nobility made Italy the teleological object of history rather than the subject. Rule from the castle and the tent made rule from the city tower obsolete.

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